What are Droop Screws, How do they Work?

RC (Radio Controlled) cars have come a long way since their inception and are now more sophisticated and technologically advanced than ever before. Many enthusiasts are always looking to fine-tune their vehicles for maximum performance on the track. This is to of course remain competitive against others. One of the key components that can greatly affect the performance of an RC car is the droop screw.

In this post, we will explore the function of RC car droop screws, how they work, and why they are important in fine-tuning the suspension setup of an RC car. We will also discuss how to adjust the droop screws to optimize the performance of your RC car on the track.

What are RC Car Droop Screws?

Droop screws are simply fasteners that are installed on the chassis plate of the RC Car and contact the suspension arms. They control the amount of suspension compression when the car is under its own weight. They really are essentially limit screws that restrict the amount of downward travel of the suspension arms.

How do Droop Screws Work?

Droop screws work by simply adjusting them to suit the desired performance required. The fasteners are generally situated on the metal chassis of the car. the body of the screw then comes out the other side of the chassis plate to make contact with the control arms of the RC vehicle. When the screws contact the arms, this is where the limitation in travel is established. One may drive a droop screw further in to limit the amount of downward travel. Or, on the other hand, turning the screw out to provide maximum downward travel.

Left Side Rear showing how a Droop Screw significantly adjusted looks vs the Right Side Rear

Benefits of Droop Screws

Restricting Travel

Restricting suspension travel would be more common for RC on road vehicles. This would allow the RC Car to have a stiffer suspension setup when the car is in its natural resting position. Driving the droop screw further in would then further lower the car and stiffen up that initial suspension travel from the natural resting position. Stiffer suspension decreases body roll while cornering, accelerating or braking.

Pros: Stiffer Suspension for on road racing. Lowered appearance or stance.

Cons: minimized grip when the car travels over a bump. Limited Suspension Travel

Un-Restricting Travel

Adjusting the droop screw out so that you get maximum travel, decreases the amount of pre-load on the springs. In this configuration, the natural resting spot in the suspension is not obtained until the RC Car is completely under its own weight. This way the cars weight acts as a force that settles in and matches the force created by the springs in the suspension. As a result, If the car is lifted up slightly, the tires will remain in contact with the ground. This setting is perfect for off-road vehicles and is absolutely critical for rock crawlers where the tire and suspension requires maximum travel.

Pros: Maximum grip when a car travels over a small or large bump in the surface. Maximum Suspension Travel.

Cons: Can not easily lower the car using Droop Screws. Can not pre-load the suspension increasing the amount of spring force when the car is in its natural resting position.

How to Adjust RC Car Droop Screws

To adjust the droop screw, you will need a droop gauge and a droop screw driver. The droop gauge can really be anything that allows you to understand the amount of droop your car has. Consider a ruler for simplicity. There are fancy gadgets and blocks out there, but you really don’t need these. More detail on how a ruler will be used below. The droop screw driver is generally a standard screw driver that is used to turn the screw in or out. This is to increase or decrease the suspension limit.

To adjust the droop screw, follow these steps:

  1. Measure the Fully Extended Height: Start by measuring the distance between the bottom of the chassis and the ground. This measurement is taken with the car on a level surface and without any weight on the suspension. To do this, the cars weight must be fully supported by something other then its own suspension. Example: use blocks under the chassis plate, positioned at a height to allow the tires to barely touch the ground.
  2. Measure the droop: Next, grab your trusty measuring device and measure the amount of compression the suspension undergoes when the RC car is now under its own weight. Measure the same specification as in step 1, but the only difference is blocks are not supporting the car, the car is supported under its own weight. Pro Tip – With the car under its own weight push on the car a few times compressing the suspension and allowing the suspension to lift the car back up in to its normal or natural resting position.
  3. Adjust the droop screw: Based on the measurements taken in steps 1 and 2, adjust the droop screw as needed to achieve the desired amount of droop. Turning the screw in will decrease droop, while turning the screw out will increase the amount of droop.
  4. Re-measure and Confirm: After adjusting the droop screw, re-measure the ride height of the car vs droop. If the desired amount of droop or the desired ride height has been achieved, you are good to go. If not, continue to adjust the droop screws and re-measure.

It is recommended to make small adjustments at a time. Re-test the car after each adjustment to ensure that you are making progress to your desired result.

What is PWM in an ESC? How does an ESC Work?

Electronic speed control (ESC) is an essential component of any RC vehicle that uses an electric motor. An ESC regulates the power delivered to the motor to control the speed and direction of the vehicle. ESCs are widely used in radio-controlled cars, drones, and other similar applications. In this blog post, we will discuss in detail what PWM is, how it is used in ESCs, how an ESC works. We will also discuss a formula that you can use to set PWM frequency.

What is PWM?

Pulse-width modulation (PWM) is a technique used to control the average voltage or power delivered to a load by rapidly switching a voltage source on and off at a fixed frequency. The width of each pulse (i.e., the duration of time the voltage source is turned on) is varied to change the average voltage or power delivered to the load.

Use of PWM in electronics:

PWM is a commonly used technique in electronics to control the speed of motors, the brightness of LEDs, and the voltage supplied to other types of loads. By varying the duty cycle of the PWM signal, it is possible to control the average power delivered to the load. Note that duty cycle is the ratio of on-time vs total time. Using a variable resistor to control the voltage is less efficient than this because the resistor dissipates power as heat, resulting in wastage.

How Does an ESC Work?

Overview of an ESC:

An ESC is a component in an RC vehicle that controls the speed of an electric motor by regulating power. An ESC typically consists of a microcontroller, power electronics, and other components that facilitate communication with the motor and the input signal from a remote control device. This is the radio.

Explanation of the operation of an ESC:

The input signal processor receives the input signal from the RC radio and then sends it to the microcontroller. The microcontroller then generates a PWM signal with a fixed frequency and duty cycle and sends it to the motor driver. The motor driver amplifies the PWM signal and sends it to the motor. This is where it controls the average voltage or power delivered to the motor and hence the motor speed.

The microcontroller adjusts the duty cycle of the PWM signal based on input from the RC radio to regulate the motor speed. The microcontroller can also monitor the motor current and temperature to prevent damage to the motor and the ESC.

PWM in an ESC

PWM frequency and its impact on ESC performance:

The frequency of the PWM signal generated by the ESC can affect its performance. A higher PWM frequency can result in a smoother motor operation and better efficiency. However, it can also increase the heat generated by the ESC. What is interesting is that the ESC may increase in temperature at a higher PWM rate but the system overall will become more efficient. This is because the efficiency of the motor is increasing more than the efficiency of the ESC is decreasing. Overal there is a net increase in the amount of efficiency.

A lower PWM frequency can reduce heat generation in the ESC but may result in a less smooth motor operation and reduced system efficiency.

PWM Rates are typically held constant as the ESC changes the duty cycle within this Rate.

Explanation of how PWM works in an ESC:

The microcontroller in the ESC generates a PWM signal with a fixed frequency, typically between 6kHz and 48kHz, depending on the application. The width of each pulse in the PWM signal is varied by the microcontroller to control the average power delivered to the motor. For example, a duty cycle set to 50% will produce motor power for 50% of the period and be off for the remaining 50%. This will result in an average voltage or power delivered to the motor that is 50% of the maximum.

By varying the duty cycle of the PWM signal, the ESC can regulate the motor speed. A higher duty cycle will result in a higher average power delivered to the motor. Hence a higher motor speed. Similarly, a lower duty cycle will result in a lower average power delivered to the motor. Hence a lower motor speed.

What to Set PWM Frequency on the ESC?

Luckily for us there is a formula that makes this fairly simple. The formula is as follows:

Frequency (Hz) = Kv x Vnom x Pole Count / 20.

Round up to the next available frequency and set this in the ESC.

Try it out and see how it performs.

PWM Tips

PWM frequency cannot really be too high, it only leads to a slight increase in (switching) losses in the controller. The higher the PWM chopping frequency, the smoother the current. A smoother motor current results in lower losses, lower temperature.

Conclusion

An ESC is a fancy piece of equipment that allows us access to the performance a Brushless motor offers. PWM allows us to control speed in our RC vehicles. Now that we understand PWM further, we can use this to alter the factory set PWM rates. Doing so can increase the overall efficiency of our system at only a small fraction of cost. This cost will be additional heat in the ESC.

Does Higher Motor Kv Produce More Power?

In the world of RC, motor Kv is one of the most well known specification for those who build. Chances are, if you’re building an RC vehicle, you’re going to come across this term at some point. It is also safe to assume that most of us know that more power will equate to more speed. This is true, however does higher Kv produce more power? To better understand further about our topic today, we have to dive in to some technical details. Let’s start with a simple kv definition.

For more details or a video version on this topic, view the video below.

Understanding the Term Kv and Kt

Kv is a term that stands for the Velocity Constant of a brushless motor. As such, we can determine the amount of rotational speed that we get from our motor for each volt that we put in. If we know the voltage input we can calculate the unloaded RPM output of a brushless motor. Let’s take an example. Suppose we have a 2000Kv motor with a 11V Battery. The expected unloaded RPM output would be 2000 x 11 = 22,000RPM. Nevertheless, this does not tell us the power output. Consider the mechanical equation for power output.

For those of you familiar with horsepower and torque, the formula for HP is: HP = RPM x Torque / 5252 using imperial units. Whereas for metric units, Power in Watts is simply equal to Rotational Speed in rad/s multiplied by Torque in Nm. For instance, using our Kv specification and Voltage, we can determine RPM but we don’t know the torque value. Interestingly enough, Kv is very much related to Kt. Kt is another motor constant relating to torque. The torque constant can be determined by Kv using the equation Kt = 1/Kv. If you are going to try and use this formula, just make certain to convert RPM to rad/s. What does this now mean for us?

We can Now Get Torque Output!

We can now get the torque output of our Brushless motor. The only missing link is we need to know the amount of current that the motor will be drawing from the battery. Similar to how Kv multiplied by voltage gets us the total RPM, Kt multiplied by current provides us with the torque output.

To illustrate what we have so far covered, RPM = Kv x Voltage and Torque = Kt x Current where Kt = 1/Kv.

Substituting Kv Back in to Mechanical Power Equation

To determine if Kv is going to tell us how much power we get out of our motor, let’s substitute the value in our power equation. We will run through the equation below:

Power (Watts) = Rotational Speed x Torque
-Substitute for Kv and Kt
Power (Watts) = Kv x Voltage x Kt * Current
-Here we know Kt is equal to 1/Kv
Power (Watts) = Kv x Voltage x 1/Kv * Current
-Kv * 1/ Kv is equal to Kv/Kv = 1, therefore we can eliminate Kv from the above equation and rewrite below as
Power (Watts) = Voltage * Current

We just derived a different formula from our original mechanical formula.

Higher Kv equates to more power conclusion

As a result of the the substitution that we have done, there are two takeaways. The first takeaway is that we have been able to eliminate Kv from the equation. Secondly, we have a new power equation. The new equation is the electrical formula for power measured in watts, Power = Voltage x Current. We have been able to show that Kv can be eliminated from the formula quite easily. The truth is, Kv alone does not tell us much about the motors true power output. To really understand power output, we need to know Voltage and Current. Or we can use mechanical characteristics such as RPM and output torque. Even after this determination, let’s not stop here and check in with a typical Motor Manufactures Specification sheet.

Comparing Motor Manufactures Specifications Power vs Kv

Motor Manufactures Specifications for 1700-3270Kv

Firstly, when two brushless motors are compared, one item to keep constant is the size of the motor. To the left is a chart from a manufacture that displays five different Kv values for one specific motor model/size.

Kv vs Power – From the Specs Point of View

The specification in the chart that stays constant is the max wattage for each Kv option. Each motor of a different wind, has a maximum power output of 2400W. One thing to note is that as the maximum current increases, the maximum voltage decreases. It is this relationship that demonstrates to us that a motors Kv value really does not tell us much about the power potential of the motor.

LEGO Passenger Train Converted to RC using RC Hobby Grade Components ( Full Proportional control )

I don’t know what it is but there’s something in me that will just not allow anything to remain in stock form. This includes the LEGO Passenger Train. The LEGO Train is a great toy for younger kids really exposing them to many different useful life skills. They learn to read instructions and convert this to actions. Toys that provide this type of learning, is always something that is perfect in my books. What does this mean? We need to get one. Just blame it on the kids, you know you will love it too!

LEGO Passenger Train Converted to RC using RC Hobby Grade Components
LEGO Passenger Train Converted to RC using RC Hobby Grade Components

Why Convert the LEGO Passenger Train to RC?

It’s quite simple actually. Many hobbyists have parts in their bins that aren’t being used. The LEGO Train is a perfect candidate to parts that are otherwise just collecting dust. More specifically, converting the Passenger Train over to RC will unlock so much potential. The LEGO factory controls called “Powered-Up” have limited speeds that the Train can be operated at. The level of precise control is lacking. Upgrading the unit to Hobby Grade RC equipment can provide many benefits in this regard.

What Features will RC Equipment Provide?

As mentioned above, the biggest advantage of RC equipment is the full range of throttle. In other words, we will have the ability to input a throttle command between 0-100% resulting in virtually limitless control. Our train will have the potential to apply brakes. Imagine how useful this can be when you would like to travel down along a negatively sloping section of track. Brakes will allow the train to come to a full stop. In addition, the train will continue to have a reverse function, however, the function will have 0-100% throttle in the reverse direction. This is unlike the stock train that has a limited number of steps.

Most Cool RC Train Feature

The feature that I am most excited about is the ability to program in “momentum.” Rather then allowing the train to accelerate instantaneously, a delay can be setup to mimic the train having a lot of weight. This will help for two reasons. First reason, well, it’s more realistic while accelerating and decelerating. Second reason is without the delay or some control, the train would be fed enough power to do a burnout down a 6 foot section of track before finally hooking up and getting to top speed. To remove this as it could be a costly wear item, simply just program in a throttle delay.

Other Small Features

Other features such as limiting the potential top speed will be easy to do. For those of you that know RC fairly well, this could easily be done with EPA’s of the throttle channel.

I will be adding a timer that will display how long the train has been power for that specific run. Everytime the train is stopped, the timer will also stop. For every minutes there will be an audible call-out. Having a throttle kill switch or an “arming” switch is possible but totally not needed. In fact most of all of this is not needed but that’s not at all the point.

Features that could be added to the LEGO Train Soon

There are a bunch of features that could be added later. This includes telemetry data as an example. Imagine having the ability to take a look at the voltage of the train when it is underway. Better yet, upon certain levels of voltage, the percentage of battery remaining is called out. This can quite easily be setup with the right hardware. Even telemetry that monitors speed, location and direction can be added. Many more options similar in nature are possible.

Don’t forget to watch the video of this RC Lego Train

How much Current is my Brushless RC Car Motor Going to Draw?

Hardcore RC car enthusiasts are always looking to push the envelope. A big part of doing this is understanding what is happening within the power system. Without this level of understanding it is very easy to get yourself in trouble and that’s when your power system starts smoking. Something to avoid at all costs!

The largest challenge in RC is how can we understand or better predict the amount of current that our cars need? Therefore, we are going to discuss why it is difficult to predict how much current an RC car motor will draw. Also, why is this more difficult than predicting current draw for RC airplanes.

If a Motor States it can withstand 100A, it does not mean that's how much it will draw.
If a Motor States it can withstand 100A, it does not mean that’s how much it will draw.

The three main components in an RC Car

To demystify the mechanics behind the current pulled, let’s introduce power system components and their respective specifications. This will serve as an example for our RC car.

LiPo Battery

First off, the LiPo battery (lithium-polymer battery) has its specifications typically marked on the front of the battery. In our example consider the specification of 77A (2.2Ah x 35C continuous rated). This 77A figure identifies the amount of current that the battery can generate.

Electronic Speed Control

The electronic speed control (ESC) has its rating also marked right on the front of it. In our example, let’s consider a rating of 60 amps. This is the maximum continuous current that it can support.

Brushless Motor

Lastly, the brushless motor has it’s specification accessible from the manufacture’s spec sheet. Consider our example to be able to deliver approximately 75 amps of current.

What do these Specifications Mean?

This is the exact question, what significance do these specs hold in terms of determining how much power this motor can draw?

A clear and concise answer to this: None.   

Despite these specifications, we are clueless as to how much power our brushless motor is going to draw.

Not that it is completely impossible to determine how much power brushless motors can draw. We can check that with a dynamometer for measuring mechanical power generated. We can gauge the amount of power that the motors are generating, the current being drawn and the amount of electrical or mechanical power being consumed or given out with the dyno.

A Dyno Measuring the Power Input and Output of a Motor
An RC Dyno Measuring the Power Input and Output of a Brushless Motor

With these values, we can depict the amount of current that the motor drew for a specific load of the motor.

Doesn’t this sound so easy? Nope, not at all.

Load on a Brushless Motor

The load refers to the amount of current drawn and is arguably an important part of the system. The actual current that the motor will pull comes from the Io value. (no-load value) Essentially the current drawn at zero load. Simply put, the Io value is a waste of energy since you won’t get any mechanical torque from the motor.

Interestingly, once the motor is loaded, (using a propeller) the current value starts increasing past the Io value. Which is about 2-3 amps for the motor used here. Then we increase the load further by placing a larger propeller onto our motor and skyrocketing the current up to 30-40 amps. Remember that the bigger load is represented by the bigger propeller used.

The point we are trying to make here is that as you increase the load on your motor, without interrupting anything else, the torque output of the motor must increase. The load is quantified as mechanical torque required by the motor. The translation from mechanical to electrical is torque being equal to current drawn. As torque output of the motor increases, the motor will draw an increasing amount of current.  

The Difficulty in Determining Torque / Current for RC Cars

If life were simple, we would be easily able to predict the torque output of a motor. But, that’s not how it goes. There are so many factors or variables to consider that make up the torque requirement and thus current draw.

How about an online calculator? Although there are online calculators for RC airplanes or EDF jets, there is no such calculator for an RC car.

Why?

Let’s Discuss Influencing Factors

Because there are more factors involved in this type of situation than one can imagine. For instance, consider placing a brushless motor in an RC car and drive it at constant speed. There would be a significant difference in the power required to drive at constant speed vs accelerating up to that speed. Even if the RC enthusiast were to accelerate lightly vs aggressively, there would be a considerable difference in the amount of current being pulled[RT1] .

Similarly, if you opt for a larger tire, the same effect would be noticed. When we alter the RC car, by increasing load, we are asking the motor do more work. Even if we don’t alter the RC car, and drive it on grass, we would notice that the grass would cause the motor to load up. This is due to the friction between the tires and surface, causing the torque to rise.

Another example that can influence torque required is a strong headwind or tailwind. The greater the headwind speeds, the greater the amount of power required to penetrate the wind. The amount of current drawn is very difficult to estimate.

After all of this where do we go from here?

There are a couple means of determining how much current your system will draw. The best way is to place a datalogger within your RC Car and record the amount of current your system pulls. The big down side to this, is of course, it’s not a prediction. You at this point would already have all the components.

To make the best prediction, we recommend doing a bit of research on the internet. There are more than likely many RC enthusiasts out there with the same RC vehicle as you and based on their power system and results, you can gather data and expectations. If you can’t find someone who has the same power system as you, choose the next best thing. That is the most similar power system you can find.

Key Takeaway

First, the specifications of your RC car’s motor won’t tell you anything about how much current it will pull.

Secondly, the load that you place on your motor, determines how much power or current the motor will essentially draw. Thirdly, the load equates to the amount of mechanical torque required by the RC car.

Lastly, it is possible to predict the current drawn by utilizing someone else’s experience. Find another system out there that most closely matches the one you plan to use.

We hope this was an informative guide for you to understand these challenges and how to better overcome them. Be sure to check out the YouTube video here for more detail.